Spindle Sessions: Caggie ‘It Will Never Be Over’ and ‘Consequences’

Wednesday 19 December 2018
Photography Ryan Saradjola

Caggie returned to London this summer with an LA state of mind and a splash of new music for pop listeners everywhere. After spending 2 years abroad to work on her artistry, she is continuing her debut with the release of her third single ‘It Will Never Be Over’. Caggie has stopped by for a session performing her recent single ‘It Will Never Be Over’ and a rendition of Camila Cabello hit song ‘Consequences’.

How did 2 years in LA influence and shape you as an artist?

It influenced me a lot, I’d say before then I really didn’t know who I was as an artist- and when I went there I felt I was given the freedom to really explore who I was and in particular develop my songwriting. And through that emerged a narrative that felt very much my own. I’d say I am still learning –  but I am a lot more confident now with what I have to say.

You described your sound as “reminiscent, bittersweet and hopeful.” Can you go into detail on how you create your music? What mood do you find your self in when in the studio?

My songs so far hold that theme but I’d say that it’s been reflective of my time in LA, and mourning a particular relationship. But that is the place I usually draw from- I find it easy to  romanticise the past. I usually work from a concept or a poem or even a word.. It’s always good to go in with an idea, in my opinion. Other wise I feel I end up with songs that are less personal….They could be anyones. But if it begins with a story that is mine, the song will be too. I’m a pretty sensitive person, and poetry has always been my outlet to express myself- so it’s a very natural space for me to go into songwriting. It has never really felt like a struggle, I just look at it like my release. Few things make me happier than going into the studio-  It’s my safe place and It’s probably where I am my happiest. Creating songs is so cathartic, you get to take whatever is bothering you and vent it out onto the paper and hopefully create something great, and in a way it replaces the negative feeling. Or at least, it puts a beautiful version of it in it’s place.

You co-wrote ‘It Will Never Be Over’ with Chelcee Crimes and collaborated with producer Phil Cook on the new track – can you describe the creative process creating this song. What are you thoughts about working with these two industry veterans?

This song came very easily, Chelcee reached out to me after hearing ‘Here We Are Again’ on NMF on Spotify and thought Phil would-be a good fit. And I came in with this poem I’d written the night before, and Chelcee had the chorus idea. And it was effortless really. The song evolved over a few weeks with tweaks here and there, but fundamentally it was there on day one, but they are both so good and professional – and when you work with people of that level you know you will get something good.

“So darling if you want the truth, I’m thinking we gave up to soon” through out the song you sound pretty vulnerable yet hopeful that a reconciliation will occur between you and your lover, did you pull from any personal experiences while writing this song?

I did. Like I mentioned, the song is a poem I had written. I woke up in the middle of the night and wrote it down,, but the strange thing about me is I can be the happiest person ostensibly- and not in any sort of heart break, but I always write as if I am. I’ve always been like that though, since I can remember, if you read my poetry from when I was really young, like 12  it’s all very sad. I guess that is part of my duality as a person, and perhaps my identity as an artist. It doesn’t necessarily mean that that is how I am feeling all the time. but it’s always kind of….there.. But I am not still lusting after that doomed romance, it’s just an easy place for me to go to because it was, at the time, the most I have ever felt.

Who are your top 3 artist that inspired you to get into music?

In no particular order; Lykke Li, for her quirkiness, Lana Del Ray for the whole branding and image and world she’s created. and, Taylor Swift for her songwriting.

How did you find your transition from reality star to pop artist? Was it difficult to break through the industry?

Yeah it was hard. but, If It wasn’t hard –  I would probably not be doing it, because the struggle becomes a driving force- and also, someone told me the other day that Music and Industry are separate – you have the music, and then there is the industry. And every industry has its crap to deal with. whether thats music or anything else. It’s about power and money, it’s not about art. So you have to kind of wear two hats in that sense. So Music has been there for me, and saved me in lots of ways. But the industry, is whats tricky. But, if you focus solely on the Music – the industry will follow. It’s just the way it works.. besides, we all have to face our own adversity. And comparatively I have had it easy, but you know how the saying goes,  “sometimes I want to give up, but then I remember I have a lot of motherfuckers to prove wrong.”

Looking to the future, what do you want to accomplish and achieve as an singer and songwriter? 

Career wise a big goal is that I want to write the soundtrack to a movie. A big hollywood movie. and I want to marry my two loves, which are acting and Music. But simply put, I just want to  create music that moves people, that means something to someone else. and for a moment makes them feel a little less alone. That would make me happy.